Tuesday, April 2, 2024

MSP: Vintage Alnico Speakers

MSP speakers are often found in Australian made amplifiers, such as Goldentone, Moody, Vase etc.  It seems at the time, local manufacturers had a choice of either MSP or Rola / Plessey Rola speakers.  This is likely because of the high import tariffs and shipping costs at the time.

MSP were made in Sydney, Australia by Manufacturers Special Products.  MSP was a component manufacturer for AWA, which was a huge electronics and broadcasting company up until the mid-seventies in Australia.  MSP made a wide range of products, apparently so they could sell to competitors without using the AWA brand (side note: AWA also made some great germanium transistors). 

I'm jotting down any information I can find, as there doesn't seem to be much info out there, and these are great speakers; they compare very well to their more expensive vintage counterparts from the U.S.A. or U.K.

I recently picked up one of these speakers in an old projector speaker cabinet and there was also one in a Goldentone amplifier I used to have.  They're sometimes referred to as Hi-Flux speakers.

work in progress, more information to be added as I track it down - I'm not looking to document every speaker they made, just ones used in vintage guitar amplifiers.     

M.S.P.  VINTAGE ALNICO GUITAR AMP SPEAKERS

12PQ - 21567

12" Alnico speaker,  20 / 25w RMS, 16 Ohms.   Made between 1954 - 1966

MPS alnico speaker 12PQ - 21567

12PQCB-21188

Appears to be a variant of the regular PQ - I have no idea what the function of the little attachments to the speaker cone are supposed to do.  They appear to be stock, as I have seen one other photo showing this on the cone.


MPS alnico speaker 12PQCB



12PS - 21011

12" Alnico speaker, 16 Ohms - this was in a 4 or 5 watt amp, so I'm guessing it's also a low wattage speaker.  Unlikely a high wattage speaker would be wasted in a little amp like this.

12PS - 21011Goldentone 1774 guitar vintage amplifier - rear view


12UA

12" Alnico speaker, 15w RMS



MSP SPEAKER DATE CODES

Look for a two letters and a number ink stamped on the speaker.   In some cases the first character is also a number - there's some question about what the first character is, but it's not that important, as really most people just want to know what year the speaker was made.

AB1 as an example,   A - not sure, B month, 1 year

A = January

B = February

C = March

D = April

E = May

F = June

G = July

H = August

I = September

J = October

K = November

L or O= December


DL9 = December 1959


Information on date codes care of P Fields, Aussie Guitar Gear Heads forum



Tuesday, March 12, 2024

500 posts, cleanup time

Hey there - I noticed that I'm just about to hit 500 posts, and I've decided that I'll spend a bit of time cleaning up some old posts, adding more detail to others and deleting some that are of no interest to me.  

Why?  I only want to provide content that I find interesting or useful as a reference.   

Friday, March 8, 2024

SOLA SOUND: Tone Bender MKII SCB

I was a little surprised when someone requested this, as I assumed that I would have already done it given my love of vintage size vero and Tone Benders.   Anyways, here's the short circuitboard version of the MKII Tone Bender.

What's this short circuitboard business?  It's thought to be the transition from the MK1.5 Tone Bender to the MKII - basically same size board, but jam in the extra transistor stage on the front, hence the crowded layout.

SOLA SOUND TONE BENDER MKII (SCB) - VERO LAYOUT

SOLA SOUND TONE BENDER PROFESSIONAL MKII (SCB)  VERO LAYOUT

There's also mention of 12k resistors being used instead of 10k in all the usual forums.  There's also another version with the 100ohm limiting resistor before the Attack pot on the board, but seriously, how much do you want to try jamming on the little board.






More Reading

https://fuzzboxes.org/tonebendermkii
https://stompboxes.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6381




Thursday, February 29, 2024

SRS: EQ Exciter, Creepy Fingers mod

I was poking around in my files and realised that I had started a layout for this a couple of years ago, but had not quite finished it - anyways, here it is.  

It's SRS EQ Exciter from the seventies, with the Creepy Fingers mod.  If you want to make it stock, replace the Gain pot with a 47k resistor.   It's hardly an EQ pedal, it's a balls out silicon fuzz.

I'll probably return to this and update the post with a few bits from LTspice.  The EQ is interesting.


CREEPY FINGERS, MODDED SRS EQ EXCITER - VERO LAYOUT

CREEPY FINGERS, MODDED SRS EQ EXCITER - VERO LAYOUT





Thursday, February 22, 2024

VOX: Vox AC4 C1-12

I picked up a Vox AC4 with a 12" speaker recently, as it was selling really cheap second-hand, and it looked like it was straight out of the box.  I have a sneaking suspicion that the previous owner hated it - he seemed glad to be rid of it.

This post started short, and then became quite long as I was researching upgrade/modding options and jotted down notes along the way.  Maybe this will be useful for someone else too.

VOX AC4C1-12 GUITAR AMPLIFIER

How does it sound?

It sounds truly awful running at low levels - I think this is what has earned its bad reputation on several forums.  However, this little amp sounds pretty damn good when you crank it.  Turn the volume up, and set it on the edge of breakup (or further) with the gain, and the amp comes alive.  

I was running the volume at full for a decent amount of time - I measured 110dbA at one metre on the leq setting or my meter (that's an average, not peak).   I don't think the previous owner gave it much use, so I thought I should crank it to break the speaker in a bit, and it was a fun way to get to know the amp.  

I think some people assumed that the AC4 would be good at low levels because of the low wattage, and the spiel from Vox refers to it as "Famous for its ability to achieve classic VOX tone at low volume levels" which should perhaps include the disclaimer, when compared to how loud a cranked AC30 is.  If you want a small Vox amplifier that can sound good at low levels, buy a Pathfinder 15R.


VOX AC4C1-12 SPECS

  •         Gain, bass, treble and volume 
  •         2 x 12AX7, 1 x EL84 (solid state rectifier)
  •         4-watt RMS into 16ohms
  •         Weighs 10.6 kilograms
  •         Vox VX12 12-inch speaker. Which is a Celestion Seventy 80 more on that below.

VOX AC4C1-12 MODS

Warning number 1.  Valve amps contain lethal voltages.  Don't go poking around in there if you are not sure of what you're doing, as you might just end up dead.

Warning number 2.   Upgrading cheap valve amps can be an expensive exercise. 


Bright Caps

OK, so if you have read anything about AC4 mods, you’ll read a lot about bright caps.  People buy the amp, decide they don't like it, and then try and mod their way out of it.  I think these are the same people running it at low levels and regret their purchase and then desperately try to fix it (huge assumption on my part, but there it is).  

The caps in question are C6, the 120pf cap across pins 3 and 2 on the gain pot, and C20, the 100pf cap across the same pins of the volume pot.   If the description I just gave and the schematic don't mean anything to you, the small capacitors are similar to a treble bleed on a guitar volume pot - when the gain or volume are low, the caps let high frequencies through.  The effect reduces as the pots are turned up.  

C6 is present on the gain pot of a regular Vox Top Boost channel.  As far as I'm aware, C20 on the volume pot is not used on any of the traditional line up of Vox amps - in fact the opposite occurs with the AC30, with a treble cut following the master volume in the power section.   

Vox AC4-C1 schematic

The Cab

After bright caps, the next "fix"' for the AC4 is taking the back off the cabinet, or enlarging the bass port (which is tiny).   I tried it - taking the back off did make a difference, but not as much as I was led to believe it would on the forums.  It was more open sounding - there's a surprise.  I haven’t had the amp for very long, I’ll need to test this in more acoustic environments before I make a final decision on this.  


The Speaker

The VX12 is actually a 16ohm rebranded Celestion Seventy 80 which is described by Celestion as detailed and crisply defined with a tightly controlled low-end and punchy aggressive upper mid-range. The top-end response is also subtly increased. 

The Seventy-80 is a much-maligned speaker, with ample hate online compared to Vintage 30s and Greenbacks etc, although they do have their fans, and a fair number of people thinking they don't deserve the poor reputation they have.  

If you have just bought this amp or have purchased one second hand with very little use, the speaker will not be broken in.  Get some solid hours on it at a decent level to loosen things up before deciding you need to replace the speaker (over 20 hours).   It's not the high end that changes, it's the mids and lows that start to breathe - the balance will shift, which may help with one of the complaints about the sound of the amp.  

Don't take my word for it, check this from Ignazio Vagnone from Jensen speakers.  This advice is not specific to Jensens, according to Ignazio, all speakers, all brands need break in.

Vox VX12 speaker

If you still don't like it after breaking it in and decide to try a different speaker, it's important to note that there's very little space between the output transformer and the speaker magnet - we're talking about 10mm...  a lot of common speakers will not fit without moving the output transformer.  There is room to do this, however the leads connecting the transformer don't allow much movement, at least on mine anyway, I'm assuming others will be the same. 

As a reference, the Seventy 80 magnet is134mm wide and the speaker is 119mm in depth. 

Vox AC4C1-12 space between output transformer and speaker



The Output Transformer 

The AC4 has an unbranded output transformer.  Some say that upgrading to a Hammond or similar transformer will remove the fizz that can be heard at times.  I'd be heading for a speaker upgrade before the output transformer.  

Hammond 125BSE (rated 5 watt)

Hammond 125CSE (rated 8 watt) 

The internet says the stock transformer has a 10k primary running the 16 ohm speaker (forum post, not an official Vox spec).  Others have mentioned that an EL84 likes to run with 5k on the primary, as per their datasheet.  Either way, the Hammonds provide a lot of options.


Valves

Like any amp, swapping valves may or may not make much difference.  I think despite the stock valves just being labelled as CHINA, there's nothing inherently wrong with them.  For me, if I'm swapping out or replacing valves, I buy NOS or vintage ones that test well and are reasonably priced.  Why - cause I like reusing old things.  I never spend more than the price of a new valve on an old one.

Most modern valves come from just a handful of remaining factories.  Popping Mullard on a new valve and selling in a box with vintage style artwork is just marketing.  


So what’s a stock AC4 good for?

I think it would make a great little recording amp, if you’re chasing the sound of a Vox working hard.  Possibly OK for small gigs if you only have variations of one tone, with that tone being a juiced Vox.

Pairing with another larger AC for a stereo rig.  Paired with my AC15 with a Alnico blue it sounds great.  The larger AC lifted the smaller amp, and the AC4 was in no way detrimental to the AC15.


What is it bad at?

It does not sound good at low levels.


How does it compare to the 10" model

The 12" version is noticeably better - do not buy the 10" AC4 unless you plan on plugging it into an extension cab.  The 10" is really boxy sounding.   They're tempting cause they're often going cheap and they look cool.


What mods have I done?

Note:  all comments above relate to the un-modded AC4.

So far I've;

  • replaced the stock speaker with a MSP vintage alnico speaker
  • cut the bright cap on the volume control
  • swapped a pre-amp valve for something vintage I had laying around
The mods have not radically changed the amp, as the cabinet size and type is hard to escape, but it definitely sounds much better, largely due to the speaker upgrade.  I picked up the speaker really cheap ($20) to avoid overspending on upgrading a cheap amp.