In my experience the Zonk can be a little easier to make than the MKI in terms of transistor selection, and just getting a sound out of it - but it's still not one to rush into without a good stock of transistors to test. It's still a difficult circuit to get sounding good. You can end up with a thin nasty sounding beast that sounds nothing like the demos.
Transistors
Q1 needs leakage to work. Q2 doesn't need leakage to work, but it uses an OC75, which are usually quite leaky compared to other transistors. Q3 should also need leakage to work, but it has an OC44 here, which are generally quite low in terms of leakage - this is partly where the gated sound comes from.
Dave Main of D*A*M fame was kind enough to share some voltages and transistor hfe on a schematic, which is as follows.
Q1 Texas Instruments AO2650 hfe 30
Q2 Mullard OC75 hfe 156
Q3 Mullard OC44 hfe 69
Voltage on Q2 collector
-5.1v on full fuzz
-9.6v at zero
Most batteries start life at 9.5v so I have no idea what kind of freak battery Dave had plugged in to get -9.6 volts. Anyways, it will be a high voltage in any case, a range of -5 to -7v would be pretty normal.
And here's another set of quite different readings from an original Zonk, care of acidfuzz on freestompboxes. Great to see some leakage measurements as well.
and here's a demo, of what might be the very same pedal, as the video is provided by acidfuzz.
Input capacitor
The 1nf input capacitor is really the standout component value on a Zonk - this is really what sets it apart from the MKI Tone Bender. In the video demo above, the Zonk sounds quite fat - it's not easy getting this tone. I've found that a higher hfe Q1 helps.
If your Zonk is sounding a bit thin and nasty, it's not the end of the world if you increase the size of the input cap until you get it to a place that you're happy with. Try a 3n3. There's a lot of builders out there that offer this circuit with a MKI switch, which basically swaps or adds another input cap to increase the value to something like a MKI (10nf).
The sizzle
The what now? Zonks sometimes have an annoying sizzle on the decay, some people say it sounds like bacon cooking, and you don't really want that. Some sizzle is not unusual on the decay of a MKI style circuit, but the Zonk can have way too much at times.
If you can't fix sizzle with transistor swaps, add a low value cap directly on the input of the circuit. You want something big enough to reduce the sizzle down to manageable levels, but not so big that it changes the tone too much, although this can sound kind of cool, it's a bit like a cocked wah sound if you go too big. A 1nf cap often does the trick without affecting the sound..
I had a weird problem with the blog. Some posts had issues with the tables linked on Google drive and started getting way too many page hits. So I’ve tried to repost a few things to avoid problems.
Hi Andy! Fine here! This week in Spain is full of vacation days and with the kids at home is almost impossible to do another thing than to take care of them.
The past week, finally, I finished my short board circuit MKII and it turned out pretty awesome (and usually it's my last favourite of the Tone Bender circuits). If kids fall asleep today soon I will be finishing the MKIII/Dizzy Tone/Park Fuzz that I have pending.
Good to know the tables are ok, for me they are just like gold!
I’m sure the MKIII will turn out well - I’ve never heard or made a bad one.
The MKIII table was the first one I made, cause there was just so many versions. My favourite is the DAM Fuzzsound with the 4n7 cap in the treble filter.
No holidays for me until Christmas, then I have a few weeks. Could do with more….
Thanks to your comments, I am now getting the exact same sounds as in the video. The only thing I needed to do, was switching my existing transistor set around. Q1: Yes, higher gain and medium leakage helps Q2: Medium gain and leakage, like for the MKI Q3: Yes, low gain and low leakage did the trick
Thank you for your wonderful blog, I now have a properly functioning Zonk Machine. I don't know why, but I find these way harder to tune right than the MKI circuits.
Now my final goal with this circuit is to get this sound: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU3uz6B95xw&t=334s
Good to hear. Yes, getting them working is easy, getting them sounding good is not. I have a feeling that the hfe/leakage of Q1 affects the input impedance, and in turn the frequency of the high-pass filter that is created with the 1n cap. This is why increasing the input cap helps
Hello - it's exactly the same scenario as a MKI. Some Zonks have an A25k pot instead of the 50k with a 33k resistor. Just use what sounds best / gives the best range on the fuzz pot.
Wow! Nice you are reuploading all the tables. You are tempting me to do another Zonk Machines with a few mods...
ReplyDeleteHey how’s things Mister Hate?
DeleteI had a weird problem with the blog. Some posts had issues with the tables linked on Google drive and started getting way too many page hits. So I’ve tried to repost a few things to avoid problems.
Hi Andy! Fine here! This week in Spain is full of vacation days and with the kids at home is almost impossible to do another thing than to take care of them.
DeleteThe past week, finally, I finished my short board circuit MKII and it turned out pretty awesome (and usually it's my last favourite of the Tone Bender circuits).
If kids fall asleep today soon I will be finishing the MKIII/Dizzy Tone/Park Fuzz that I have pending.
Good to know the tables are ok, for me they are just like gold!
I’m sure the MKIII will turn out well - I’ve never heard or made a bad one.
DeleteThe MKIII table was the first one I made, cause there was just so many versions. My favourite is the DAM Fuzzsound with the 4n7 cap in the treble filter.
No holidays for me until Christmas, then I have a few weeks. Could do with more….
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ReplyDeleteFound pictures of an interesting Zonk Machine. Am I correct to assume that this unit has a 6,4nf input cap?
ReplyDeleteZonk Machine - Insides 1
Zonk Machine - Insides 2
Zonk Machine - Enclosure front
Zonk Machine - Enclosure backside
I can’t make out any values in the input cap (the brown one from switch to board). I think the blue electro is across v pos/neg
DeleteWow, thank you for the build notes!!
ReplyDeleteThanks to your comments, I am now getting the exact same sounds as in the video. The only thing I needed to do, was switching my existing transistor set around.
ReplyDeleteQ1: Yes, higher gain and medium leakage helps
Q2: Medium gain and leakage, like for the MKI
Q3: Yes, low gain and low leakage did the trick
Thank you for your wonderful blog, I now have a properly functioning Zonk Machine. I don't know why, but I find these way harder to tune right than the MKI circuits.
Now my final goal with this circuit is to get this sound: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU3uz6B95xw&t=334s
Good to hear. Yes, getting them working is easy, getting them sounding good is not. I have a feeling that the hfe/leakage of Q1 affects the input impedance, and in turn the frequency of the high-pass filter that is created with the 1n cap. This is why increasing the input cap helps
DeleteWhat influence has the 33k resistor? Do I need to add it if I were to use the A50k Fuzz pot?
ReplyDeleteHello - it's exactly the same scenario as a MKI. Some Zonks have an A25k pot instead of the 50k with a 33k resistor. Just use what sounds best / gives the best range on the fuzz pot.
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