Saturday, December 10, 2022

ZONK MACHINE: Component Values Table

Not a huge amount of variation on Zonks in terms of component values, and at one stage this was all on the MKI table, but I decided to split the two.  

ZONK MACHINE SCHEMATIC


ZONK MACHINE SCHEMATIC


ZONK MACHINE COMPONENT VALUES



BUILD NOTES

In my experience the Zonk can be a little easier to make than the MKI in terms of transistor selection, and just getting a sound out of it - but it's still not one to rush into without a good stock of transistors to test.  It's still a difficult circuit to get sounding good.  You can end up with a thin nasty sounding beast that sounds nothing like the demos. 


Transistors

Q1 needs leakage to work.   Q2 doesn't need leakage to work, but it uses an OC75, which are usually quite leaky compared to other transistors.   Q3 should also need leakage to work, but it has an OC44 here, which are generally quite low in terms of leakage - this is partly where the gated sound comes from.

Dave Main of D*A*M fame was kind enough to share some voltages and transistor hfe on a schematic, which is as follows.

Q1     Texas Instruments AO2650      hfe 30
Q2     Mullard OC75                          hfe 156
Q3     Mullard OC44                          hfe 69

Voltage on Q2 collector

-5.1v on full fuzz
-9.6v at zero

Most batteries start life at 9.5v so I have no idea what kind of freak battery Dave had plugged in to get -9.6 volts.  Anyways, it will be a high voltage in any case, a range of -5 to -7v would be pretty normal.


And here's another set of quite different readings from an original Zonk, care of acidfuzz on freestompboxes.   Great to see some leakage measurements as well. 

Q1    Texas Instruments AO2650        Hfe   180   leakage    0.12mA
Q2    Mullard OC75                            Hfe   78     leakage   0.29mA
Q3    OC44                                          Hfe   58     leakage   0

and here's a demo, of what might be the very same pedal, as the video is provided by acidfuzz.  




Input capacitor

The 1nf input capacitor is really the standout component value on a Zonk - this is really what sets it apart from the MKI Tone Bender.   In the video demo above, the Zonk sounds quite fat - it's not easy getting this tone.   I've found that a higher hfe Q1 helps.

If your Zonk is sounding a bit thin and nasty, it's not the end of the world if you increase the size of the input cap until you get it to a place that you're happy with.  Try a 3n3.   There's a lot of builders out there that offer this circuit with a MKI switch, which basically swaps or adds another input cap to increase the value to something like a MKI (10nf).


The sizzle

The what now?  Zonks sometimes have an annoying sizzle on the decay, some people say it sounds like bacon cooking, and you don't really want that.  Some sizzle is not unusual on the decay of a MKI style circuit, but the Zonk can have way too much at times.

If you can't fix sizzle with transistor swaps, add a low value cap directly on the input of the circuit.  You want something big enough to reduce the sizzle down to manageable levels, but not so big that it changes the tone too much, although this can sound kind of cool, it's a bit like a cocked wah sound if you go too big.  A 1nf cap often does the trick without affecting the sound..
 

ZONK HYBRID READING


Voltages supplied by Acid Fuzz (very kind of him to share)

Trimmer set to about 152k.  Here are the voltages at ~70°F with a 9V battery:

1/2 "FUZZ" Full "FUZZ"

Q1:  
        C -8.98V   -8.95V
        B -.707V   -.715V
        E -.656V   -.676V

Q2:    
        C -7.16V   -3.632V
        B -.643V   -.672V
        E -0.1mV  -0.1mV

Q3: 
        C -7.99V   -7.51V
        B -51.7mV  -51mV
        E -0.1mV  -0.1mV

12 comments:

  1. Wow! Nice you are reuploading all the tables. You are tempting me to do another Zonk Machines with a few mods...

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    1. Hey how’s things Mister Hate?

      I had a weird problem with the blog. Some posts had issues with the tables linked on Google drive and started getting way too many page hits. So I’ve tried to repost a few things to avoid problems.

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    2. Hi Andy! Fine here! This week in Spain is full of vacation days and with the kids at home is almost impossible to do another thing than to take care of them.

      The past week, finally, I finished my short board circuit MKII and it turned out pretty awesome (and usually it's my last favourite of the Tone Bender circuits).
      If kids fall asleep today soon I will be finishing the MKIII/Dizzy Tone/Park Fuzz that I have pending.

      Good to know the tables are ok, for me they are just like gold!

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    3. I’m sure the MKIII will turn out well - I’ve never heard or made a bad one.

      The MKIII table was the first one I made, cause there was just so many versions. My favourite is the DAM Fuzzsound with the 4n7 cap in the treble filter.

      No holidays for me until Christmas, then I have a few weeks. Could do with more….

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  3. Found pictures of an interesting Zonk Machine. Am I correct to assume that this unit has a 6,4nf input cap?

    Zonk Machine - Insides 1
    Zonk Machine - Insides 2
    Zonk Machine - Enclosure front
    Zonk Machine - Enclosure backside

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    1. I can’t make out any values in the input cap (the brown one from switch to board). I think the blue electro is across v pos/neg

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  4. Wow, thank you for the build notes!!

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  5. Thanks to your comments, I am now getting the exact same sounds as in the video. The only thing I needed to do, was switching my existing transistor set around.
    Q1: Yes, higher gain and medium leakage helps
    Q2: Medium gain and leakage, like for the MKI
    Q3: Yes, low gain and low leakage did the trick

    Thank you for your wonderful blog, I now have a properly functioning Zonk Machine. I don't know why, but I find these way harder to tune right than the MKI circuits.

    Now my final goal with this circuit is to get this sound: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU3uz6B95xw&t=334s

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    1. Good to hear. Yes, getting them working is easy, getting them sounding good is not. I have a feeling that the hfe/leakage of Q1 affects the input impedance, and in turn the frequency of the high-pass filter that is created with the 1n cap. This is why increasing the input cap helps

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  6. What influence has the 33k resistor? Do I need to add it if I were to use the A50k Fuzz pot?

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    1. Hello - it's exactly the same scenario as a MKI. Some Zonks have an A25k pot instead of the 50k with a 33k resistor. Just use what sounds best / gives the best range on the fuzz pot.

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